LIVE AT KEMPS CREEK BOWLO | Carlotta – he did it her way

"I do take the piss out of myself. That’s why people like my club show. I just say it as it is. I'm politically incorrect."
"I do take the piss out of myself. That’s why people like my club show. I just say it as it is. I'm politically incorrect."

» Carlotta: Live & Intimate, performing with False Idols, at Kemps Creek Bowling & Sports Club on Saturday, June 3 at 8pm. 

Carlotta is a very complicated woman.

She was born Richard Byron in Balmain in 1943. As a teenager he left home to work in David Jones in Sydney where some co-workers encouraged him to keep cross-dressing and he adopted the name Carol Spencer.

In 1972 Carol, at 29, was one of the first in Australia, certainly the most famous, to have a sex-change operation. It was performed at the Prince of Wales Hospital at Randwick. By this stage she was headlining the famous Les Girls line-up of female impersonators at Kings Cross working for some notorious colourful racing identities. Her stage name was Carlotta, and the club insisted on billing her as a female impersonator for years after she had the operation.

She had a guest stint on sex’n’sin soap Number 96 (ending abruptly when her real identity was finally revealed), starred in a dud movie (“It was called Dead Easy but I called it Dead Loss”), was the inspiration for Priscilla (“I did Priscilla before Priscilla – I had 11 drag queens in a Volkswagen, fer God’s sake”) and wrote (“as told to”) two autobiographies.

With her blessing and her help, the ABC made a TV movie of her life.

Carlotta is now 73 and hasn’t retired, but she’s slowed the pace a bit. As her guest, I attended her club act in Sydney, met her backstage and interviewed her by phone two days later.

Clip from the ABC TV movie Carlotta

On stage Carlotta played up her age and grizzled about “having to wear all this shit at my age”, all the while looking fantastic, clearly able to go on for hours and hours, much to the audience’s delight. (“You really have to entertain these days. Years ago you could just stand there and look like a sideshow. Today's a different kettle of fish. Specially in my business.”)

Carol is a different kettle of fish to Carlotta. She’s almost as energetic but no means as bitchy. And almost reclusive. It’s as though she’s finally got the chance, at a little riverside township behind the Gold Coast, to be the unassuming, anonymous woman in the suburbs she could once only dream of being.

She happily gives answers, sometimes just one or two words, often not always the answers reporters want (“What happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom” is a line oft-repeated in her interviews), but she was particularly receptive when I said inevitably there may be a reader or two who’s right now facing the same dilemmas and confusion young Richard Byron faced alone all those years ago . . .

That’s the reason I did the movie for the ABC,” she said.

Over to Carlotta . . .

Carlotta

Carlotta

» How did you deal with seeing young Richard again on screen? (Laughs) That's a hard question. I found myself thinking that it was so long ago. He's like a whole other person now. And then I found myself thinking how tough it was. It really was tough.

And even tougher in real life than what the movie shows. You don’t have time in a film – No, no, no. No, no, you don't, unfortunately, because you can't get into everything in depth. It'd end up being a five-hour movie. I was happy with the film. Look, the thing is I've lived it. So I wouldn't be one of those people who sit around watching it (laughs). It was a long process to make. Six years. I'm very happy with the result.

Who was your greatest support? "Myself."

Richard was sexually abused. Yes he was but I don't dwell on that. It's passed. That's in the past. I'm a strong person.

You’ve lived a complicated, complex, triumphant life. Young Richard had all that ahead of him. What can you say to all the Richards who are reading? What do they need to hear? Be strong. And there's light at the end of the tunnel. There's much more freedom today but still it’s not easy. A lot of them have families to consider whereas I was fortunate, I only had two mothers to contend with. I didn’t know a lot of my aunties and uncles. When there's family involved that's the thing that holds a lot of guys back, because they're embarrassed. It’s a difficult process and it's very stressful. 

Carlotta

Carlotta

Who was your greatest support? Myself. Just self-confidence. Plus I had good supportive friends around me who loved me and gave me the support I needed. I went into a whole new world remember. It was hard. I was leaving what was the industrial area of Balmain in those years and going into the world of the Cross, and Les Girls. It was a big change.

Did you ever lose confidence? No, not really. I've always been a pretty strong person. I knew what I wanted from a very early age.

Look, there were no hurdles. I just went for it. I knew what I wanted and I wasn't going to let anyone stop me.

The hardest thing to deal with surely wasn't the transition op but all the emotional stuff leading up to it in the years beforehand. What was the biggest hurdle? Look the whole thing was that I didn’t really have a hurdle in front of me. I just went for it. It’s hard to explain. I just went for it. ’Cos I knew what I wanted. And I wasn't going to let anyone stop me.

The show you take around the clubs puts your success story in audiences’ faces. Yes, that's right. But I do take the piss out of myself. As you know. As you saw. That’s why they like it. I just say it as it is. I'm politically incorrect. And I try to get that across all the time. I’m not a lover of political correctness.

"The bitch is on stage and the nice person is off stage. I’m not a bitch like that in real life. Not at home."

"The bitch is on stage and the nice person is off stage. I’m not a bitch like that in real life. Not at home."

How have your audiences changed? Thank God they're still alive darling!

What about the blokes dragged along by their wives to the ‘freak show’. How do you cut them down to size? Yeah. I think I win them over in the end. You didn't see anyone walk out, did you. Mind you, they might be a bit scared to head for the door. I’ve had a lot of guys come up after and say thank you.

You blazed a trail. Well, I've tried to help.

It’s a big responsibility. I’m not into that accolade stuff. There are a lot of other kids out there who don't get the credit but who do a lot of things, a lot behind the scenes. Like at Mardi Gras.

Specific family support you remember and cherish? My stepmother, she was just wonderful. She stuck by me. When she first saw me perform she just said ‘That wouldn't have happened if I'd adopted you!’ (Laughs). After my show she just ran to the dressingroom going “Where is she? Where is she?” (laughs) . She finally found me and gave me a big hug. She was real strong. I think I got my strength from her. I always had a lot of love and respect for her. I was very fortunate to have her. Even though I come from a big family as far as aunties and uncles are concerned, they’ve never had anything to do with me. None of them. Their loss, not mine.

That's awful. Yes. Yes it was a bit. But, as I said, I’m strong.

It’s not easy to be a bloke in Australia these days, wherever you find yourself on the gender scale. I don’t even think of it that way. I’m just Carlotta. That's it. Take it or leave it.

But you’re not. You’re Carol as well. You’re two people. Yes I am. That’s right. After this show’s over I go back to being myself at home.

I come from a big family as far as aunties and uncles are concerned. They’ve never had anything to do with me. None of them.

What's the difference? The bitch is on stage and the nice person is off stage. I’m not a bitch like that in real life. Not at home.

Carlotta

Carlotta

What are you like at home? I cook, I read, I garden. I read anything about history. Just finished reading a great book, Sheila [Sheila: The Australian Beauty Who Bewitched British Society, by Robert Wainwright], about a woman who was the queen's mother's husband's first girlfriend. She came from Australia and did the social scene in London in the ’20s and ’30s. Fabulous book. Got it at the airport and I thought this is right up my . . . sleeve [those pesky double entendres] (laughs). I loved Downton Abbey. I don’t go to the cinema that much. Oh, darling, it's just too much of a pain in the arse to be quite honest.

Some of your bosses at Kings Cross were pretty shady characters. Well, you know, in those days we didn’t look at it that way. We really didn’t. We were too wrapped up in doing our shows. It was all exciting ’cos we were young.

It was also pretty tough. You never got paid well. No, shocking. A lot of people made a lot of money out of us. Yes, it was tough. But I changed that. Well, I had nothing to lose, love! (Laughs). A lot of them joined the bandwagon after me.

You paved the way. Well, I helped. I hate accolades.

But it's true. That's for other people to judge.

Other words of encouragement for readers? Look, be yourselves. There is fun. Don't struggle. Life's too short. And once you release yourself from it all you'll be a lot happier. Just don't think on the negative side, think on the positive side. You may lose a few friends but, believe you me, you'll gain a lot more. If your family is working against you, unfortunately that goes with the tide sometimes. That's where you gotta be strong.

The most important thing is love and the most important love is your own. If you get someone else to love you, it's a bonus.

The ABC TV movie finishes with the line: “The most important thing is love and the most important love is your own. If you get someone else to love you, it's a bonus.”. Was that what it said in the writing that comes up at the end of the movie? Oh, love, I didn't have my glasses on and I couldn’t read it! (we laugh raucously for three minutes). I’ll have to watch it then. I didn’t know I said something so good! ■

  • Carlotta: Live & Intimate ($30, 18+ only), performing with False Idols, on Saturday, June 3 at 8pm at Kemps Creek Bowling Club, 1490 Elizabeth Dr, info@kcsb.com.au or 9826 1375.