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Hoxton Park Muslim school approved

19 Jun, 2009 06:23 PM
To say the reaction to the Muslim school decision at Monday night's council meeting was divided would be a massive understatement. Hoxton Park residents described themselves as devastated, said their area would never be the same and even shed tears over the decision, while the area's Muslims smiled, cheered and said it would allow their children to get a great education, closer to home. Hoxton Park residents had only strong words of anger about the decision, saying they felt betrayed by council and couldn't believe the councillors voted for the school. Some also argued that the decision meant the councillors did not care about what locals think and may even suggest that they are corrupt. Others said they are pandering the Muslim vote.

I doubt very much that there is any actual corruption going on or the decision was based on the religion connected to the school. It is obvious the councillors voted on the application on planning grounds.

But why, specifically, did they vote the way that they did?

While almost everyone was expecting Labor to vote for the school, it was truly surprising that two Liberal councillors, Mazhar Hadid and Ned Mannoun also voted for it. And the question is: why?

Well, the simple answer is that it's hard to know for sure. But I know one thing; this decision will irrevocably change the opinion that locals have of the councillors. For the majority of residents of the area, this decision was a signal that the councillors do not care about their views.

It's a shame because I think the councillors do care about what the residents think, but unfortunately this will make many locals even more negative about our council and even more distrusting of politicians in general. However, the Muslim people of the area all seem to have taken this decision in a positive light. It seems that many of them took the controversy over the school to be based on their religion. It seems that they saw the resident's arguments about traffic and flooding problems and their comments about the site being too small for the proposed 800 student school, as excuses to cover up the truly racist motivations of the opposition. So they were very relieved when the school was approved. Some of them said after the meeting that it will allow their children to go to a school near their homes. Others though, were from outside the area, hailing from suburbs including Bankstown, but said that they came to support the school because they supported Muslim schools throughout Sydney, in general.

So for them, the issue was more about the validity of Muslim schools and their community's right to open them wherever they want and wherever they can meet the planning regulations.

But the majority of locals did not have a problem with the school's religion but rather they did not support the application due to quite valid, in my view anyway, traffic, parking, flooding and planning concerns.

That site is quite small for a development of the size proposed. And the roads in the area are very narrow and very busy during peak traffic times. So I do understand the resident's opposition and why they are now very upset by the decision that has been made.

Hoxton Park residents are now considering what further action they can pursue. One avenue could be launching a class action against the decision at the Land and Environment Court. But they say they won't be able to afford to pay for anything of the kind, because they're just ``average working people''.

The councillors that voted against the school are also putting a rescission motion against the decision, which means that it may be reversed, but only if two of the councillors that voted it for it change their minds.

But that seems unlikely.

When I asked Cr Hadid why he voted for the school, he said he voted for it because he did not think that the planning was flawed, as the residents said. Before voting he asked whether the residents had submitted an alternative traffic report, which illustrated their point. But the officer's answer was no. So he said he voted for the school, because there was no evidence that the information was inaccurate.

Steve Bowman, a former councillor, who lives in Hoxton Park and took somewhat of a leadership role with the issue, said residents didn't submit an alternative report because it isn't their job to do so.

``It's not up to us to commission traffic reports, it's up the council to gather the appropriate information,'' Mr Bowman said.

``They shouldn't just be taking information they receive from the applicant as gospel, they should have commissioned further traffic reports.

``They should have also looked into the flooding more, they really didn't listen to the resident's concerns and that's very disappointing.''

Mr Bowman argues that the Labor councillors voted in favour of the school to win over the support of Muslim voters and Labor party heavyweights.

``It's all about getting the right people onside and repaying previous favours,'' Mr Bowman said.

What I think it's important to remember is that Liverpool isn't Camden. We already have three or four Muslim school and several Islamic community organisations and mosques, it's not like Muslims are new to the area and residents are opposed to them settling in.

It seems to me that local's concerns should have been investigated. Since there is so much opposition to the school, shouldn't officers have put in some extra work to verify that the traffic reports submitted were accurate? And shouldn't councillors have investigated the issue a bit further themselves?

Labor Councillor Jim McGoldrick, who voted for the proposal, said he is not a planner and thus believes that councillors need to trust their officer's views on the matter.

He said, in the meeting, that councillors should rely on the experts views.

Cr Mannoun said after the meeting that had the councillors voted against the school, the applicant would have taken council to the Land and Environment court and there it would have been approved.

``It would just be a waste of time to knock it back now,'' Cr Mannoun said.

``The Land and Environment court would have definitely approved it.''

But is that sufficient reason to approve it? I just feel that councillors and council officers haven't given this issue the due consideration it deserves and I would encourage them to launch a more wide-ranging investigation into the resident's concerns.

The fact that they are so concerned and have been so vocal about it, should be enough to make the councillors sit up and listen. And some aspects of the planning materials presented to council, such as the traffic report which identifies 10am to 11am as a peak time for traffic, do seem flawed, even to an inexpert eye.

And experts, town planners and council officers have made mistakes in the past.

Why should their word be taken as gospel? Isn't the reason why we have elected representatives so they will represent our interests? And if locals want something to be looked at in more detail shouldn't this be done?

I think it should. I'm not saying the school shouldn't go ahead, I just think more investigation needs to be done into whether the Hoxton Park site is an appropriate one for it. And now is the time to do it. There will be a rescission motion against the decision at the next council meeting, on June 29, so if it is reversed, councillors can ask for a further report to be put together on the matter and further investigations be done and maybe suggest some changes to the plans, which will make them more appropriate. I only hope that this happens.

Look out for further coverage of the decision in the June 24 Liverpool Champion.

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Anne, we live in a multi cultural city, we live harmoniously and I cannot see why this particular issue keeps bouncing back to race or religion. The site is small, the feeder roads are not capable of the increase in traffic and if, as the report shows that a residential development might have brought additional numbers of cars onto the road, no one mentioned that a housing development may have had an additional access road allowed by the RTA. If the MFIS needs to be located on this site, it’s not one I’d personally choose, but if it is, the access should be provided along Hoxton Park Road, with a private access road included in the DA. It is the RTA who disallowed this access, not council, and an over pass should be provided for the safety of children or at the very least signalling that would allow safe crossing of the road and a fence along the centre line. Here we have a road being widened to become a major access road, not quite the size of Elizabeth Drive but certainly a major road and a footbridge has been installed there for the safety of the children. This would be a minimum requirement for me to want to send my children to any school along this road. This is a particularly small area, the feeder roads won’t grow in width and the additional traffic will create untenable delays into and out of the estate. Councillors who voted for the proposal simply rubber stamped a single opinion. Further investigation should have taken place – one traffic report provided by the applicant is insufficient to make a reasonable decision and whilst I am extremely conscious of the costs involved proper investigations should have been made. It is inappropriate that the RTA can simply wipe their hands of an issue, they show no concern for the residential roads and the impact their decisions will make. This needs to be addressed by the State Govt. It is important to remember that these residents are tax payers and deserve representation at all levels of Government.
Posted by Signe Westerberg, 19/06/2009 11:23:16 AM
Rubbish Signe, it is racist nonsense pure and simple. If the catholics or anglicans had wanted to put a school there or in Camden there would not have been any talk of feeder roads and other nonsense. Get over this now. After all, the muslim schools aren't always in the headlines for sexual abuse of kids are they, or drunken brawls in the halls of education and other atrocities.
Posted by Marilyn, 19/06/2009 4:03:29 PM
I'm sorry to hear you feel this way but you cannot speak for me, you don't know me nor I you. I don't care what type of school it is the location is not the best for all concerned. If any school goes in this Location the access should be via Hoxton Park Rd, and not the local roads where the traffic makes the situation dangerous regardless of your nationality. This should be addressed by the RTA and council not left to the residents who simply want what is best for all concerned.
Posted by Signe Westerberg, 19/06/2009 6:25:44 PM
If you look on the residents website www.nomoreschoolsathoxtonpark.com you will see 2333 hits from residents with the overall majority against the school.This number of residents cant be all wrong.If anyone looked at the applicants traffic study it is easy to see that it was very small in mdetail and took comparisons from other staes that arent relevant.Early in the exhibition period I asked a council officer if the council had done a study and the answer was no and he agreed that Ninetenth ave had become a very bad rat run.All the residents wanted from the council was a more comprehensive study and it would reveal the facts we uncovered.The whole process was too flawed and that is the reason for residents anger and the knowledge they were coming from outside the area.The area has been neglected too long John Anderson 98258709 mob.0409368603
Posted by john anderson, 20/06/2009 2:24:17 PM
Just look at the Muslim world one will notice, muslim teaching will not make peace with others and strongly encourage separatism....only Islam is good others are evil. Look at Indonesia and Malaysia, moderate Islamic country and you must go inside to realise how fanatical things has become. This type of school is not necessarily needed in Australia. Trust me, 10 years later , the beautiful Australia multicultural program will be damaged by these people from those school.
Posted by Peace, 21/06/2009 4:30:46 AM
Its stupid to put any school of that magnitude on such a plot of land on that strip along Hoxton Park. There is the HUGE Catholic school along with the Primary along with Montessori plus the Anglican up the road. Its a ridiculous proposition and the council is putting everyone in danger if this school goes ahead. Catholics Anglicans Muslims atheist etc. Put a mosque there for all I care but not a school where your endangering everybody including ones own children.
Posted by Jack , 22/06/2009 10:03:42 AM
Unless you are from the area, you CANNOT say this has nothing to do with traffic etc...trust me I live near the area and the traffic already in and around Hoxton Park is horrendous! I would think adding ANY other school to an already overpopulated area would be a joke with our current infrastructure. The council should've concentrated on much needed upgrade to roads and infrastructure to a growing area before contemplating a school for over 800 students - the area will not cope! So all you do-gooders who accuse Liverpool residence of racism, come out and try to go to work/school in the peak hour traffic and then claim you know everything!
Posted by RM, 30/06/2009 6:40:58 PM
why is everyone suddenly concerned about the traffic. i drive that road every day and i swear kids from the other school down the road jump in front of my car. I mean if the traffic was the real issue then it would have cropped up when the proposed housing development was planned. I mean the road is being upgraded, so it can handle the increased traffic. I beleive if this country is so multicultural then children should be allowed to learn about their religions and culture without persecution. How come anglicans are allowed to learn about some guy being brutally nailed to some wood but Muslims cant learn about their prophet who ascended to Heaven
Posted by Shak, 30/06/2009 8:09:35 PM
i listened to 2gb at 750/800 am this morning ,the attitude from mayor waller on talk back radio to alan jones on the school just amazed me.

She and the council are not for the locals like me ,and the 2 lib councillors Hhadid and Nannoun who I voted for last time ,at the next council elections i hope people will remember their names and who they stand for, certainly not us here in Hoxton Park area.


Posted by rr, 2/07/2009 9:27:48 PM
thank you, peace. i COMPLETELY agree.. we're in for a hard road of trouble..
Posted by JAN, 2/07/2009 9:49:01 PM
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